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Samuel

from Basic Stott - interview with John Stott
The article originally appeared as the cover story for Christianity Today's January 8, 1996, issue.

But no Christian can give unqualified allegiance to any institution. What, for you, would be the signals that it is time to leave the Church of England?

(1) The major doctrinal errors concern the person and work of Christ. It's clear in 1 John that anyone who denies the divine-human person of Jesus is anti-Christ. So, if the church were officially to deny the Incarnation, it would be an apostate church and one would have to leave.

(2) There's the work of Christ. In Galatians, if anybody denies the gospel of justification by grace alone through faith alone, that is anathema: Paul calls down the judgment of God upon that person.

(3) On the major ethical issues: the best example is the incestuous offender in 1 Corinthians 5. Paul called on the church to excommunicate him. If you want me to stick my neck out, I think I would say that if the church were officially to approve homosexual partnerships as a legitimate alternative to heterosexual marriage, this so far diverges from biblical sexual ethics that I would find it exceedingly difficult to stay. I might want to stay on and fight for a few more years, but if they persisted, I would have to leave.

Bryan Burton

I would go back and read Stott's The Living Church (also see one of my earlier blogs) and his essay entitled "Why I am Still an Anglican". One of the interesting realities is that Anglican ecclesiology has allowed someone like JI Packer to recently leave the Anglican Church of Canada to be part of another Anglican community and still be included in the worldwide Anglican communion. This is one of my concerns that we are being very "typically" US-American in our ecclesiology. That NT Wright has chosen not to leave but to continue to bear faithful witness is also significant. My wife and I were fortunate to be able to visit Dr Stott during his final months and his words were "Fight On with the Love of Christ and the Truth of the Gospel". This still remains a difficult issue to navigate. My problem is that I do not hear, read or see a strong ecclesiology among evangelicals in the PCUSA. For me, I am simply trying to inject this voice into the conversation by those who have engaged it with grace and wisdom, love and truth, humility and conviction.

Dave Moody

Bryan,
Thanks for posting this, great discussion and helpful.

The Anglican system does seem to have certain advantages, not available to us presbyterians, when it comes to 'thinking globally' instruments of unity - that allow for greater space and freedom of conscience than we have. Southern bishops who will give pastoral oversight to parishes in distress, etc.. The Anglican communion is more organic than anything we have - WARC (or whatever we're calling it now), etc... I'm just not sure how our polity and the vows we take, can flex enough to allow many evangelicals to remain - even as the 'loyal opposition' - without searing consciences. Especially in light of the third, ethical challenge, Stott said was a deal breaker for him back in 1996.

Does a multiplicity of presby denoms necessarily point to a weak ecclesiology? If so- in light of the christological and ethical challenges foisted upon us- what is one to do- other than look for oversight and fellowship in one of those other presby denoms?

As you can tell- I'm confused as to the wise way forward... thanks for writing about this...

Brian Moss

There is a lot of good stuff to wrestle with here. I'd like to hear your response to the following from 1st Presbyterian in Colorado Springs.

http://www.faithpres.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Ten-Theological-Challenges-Facing-the-PCUSA.pdf

As you are no doubt aware, their session, after "great thought and fervent prayer", has voted to leave the PCUSA and move into the ECO.

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